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so this isn't anything that just is

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limited to the united states it's a

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hi everyone and welcome to kg ra digital

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broadcasting our interview with graeme

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rendell kicks off the show this week

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graham as an author researcher and also

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one of my friends and colleagues from

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uap media uk graham welcome to the show

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hello andy it's good good to be here

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thanks

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fantastic almost like we're doing this

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for the very first time isn't it uh and

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listen we're making a bit of a change

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and special treatment for you this week

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graham you are kicking off the show dan

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will be joining us after this interview

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and we'll break that down a little bit

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as well graham you have released a very

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popular book in the last couple of weeks

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online i'm going to hold up a copy of it

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here for those that may or may not have

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seen we have this absolute beauty look

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at the weight to that as well i like a

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weighty book

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um we have ufos before roswell european

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foo fighters 1940 to 1945. you get the

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four forward there by the wonderful

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master sean cahill as well

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graham before we get to discussing the

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book tell us a little bit about yourself

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and your interest in ufos

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yeah so i've been a aircraft enthusiast

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for about the last 45 years maybe even

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50 years getting on for now my mum used

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to buy me airfix kits of model aircraft

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when i was really young just to keep me

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quiet and my interest in aircraft went

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on from there i also had an interest in

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science fiction from an early age i got

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a ufo book because my mum thought it was

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a science fiction book uh turned out to

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be fact obviously so that's how i got

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kick-started into the world of ufos and

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um about the same time i was also

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interested in world war ii as well so i

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got an interest in german secret weapons

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all those three things came together um

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with this book

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and we discussed recently on one of our

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road trips to preston uh your your

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travels that you've been on and one of

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your previous books was based all around

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siberia wasn't it

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yeah that's right the first book i wrote

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one i released rather it was about my

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travels around northeastern siberia in

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1992. so this was six months after the

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fall of the soviet union and it was a

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very very strange time when you could

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get round by bribing people basically um

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you know dodging bureaucracy and all the

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rest of it so i spent a few weeks going

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around a strange part of russia taking

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pictures of very very unusual aircraft

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and very very unusual polar settlements

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well hopefully that'll explain a little

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bit of why you've chosen to write a book

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based on events that happened now 80

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years ago and that's that's a lot of

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events that are so old essentially now

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given we're looking at so many events

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like the tic tac for 2004 and then

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the uss omaha events and all this other

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stuff that's really modern what's got

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you writing the book based on events

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skip over world war ii straight to the

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ghost rockets of 1946 and to kenneth

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arnold and roswell 1947 and there was

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was like well where are the reports from

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equipment radar you know people just

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look watching the skies so why weren't

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they saying things why aren't these

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things being recorded so when i started

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to hear back then a few stories

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a few more and i got the point where i

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mystery airships and then obviously we

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very limited phenomenon so and it only

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the foo fighters plus a couple of cases

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couple of other cases that was your sum

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researchers over that 50-year period

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basically and just thought it's not

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worth bothering with we'll look at much

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this is just something you know that's

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not worth bothering with

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was it a difficult time for for anyone

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identify anything anomalous potentially

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filled with german aircraft russian

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of knowledge and then of course your

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experience was you know you gained

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bullets that you basically um and then

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flares decoys and other things that were

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like aircraft they just didn't look like

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anything on earth basically and these

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now at the time we're looking a time

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three or four years in the future

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that the germans were going to introduce

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some kind of new secret weapon and you

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lots of work behind the scenes to try

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and work out what these things were but

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rock and you know ships everything

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these things before they were put into

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service but these things were something

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different because it didn't have

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anything tangible they didn't have any

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bits they didn't know any wreckage

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from people in the field from secret

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installations all the rest of it that

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now i'm lucky i've got my copy of the

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book obviously i have seen you do a

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fantastic presentation recently at the

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minicon in preston where you went

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through lots of various aspects of the

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book and and why you came to some of the

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conclusions you did

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are there any standout cases you could

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discuss without going into too much

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detail i don't want you to spoil the

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book for people but any particular

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favorite cases from the book

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yeah i mean the front cover that which

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is expertly designed uh by danzetta's

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room your colleague and also olaf

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that that's the one there that you're

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showing there the uh the wellington

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bomber uh this is a march 1942 case so

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we're setting the the the timetable like

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two two and a half years before what was

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the accepted wisdom for the start of the

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foo fighters which is the end of 1944.

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um now this was actually a bombing raid

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to essen in germany and the aircraft was

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coming back it was a polish crude

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wellington bomber from the royal air

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force

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and this copper-colored disk kind of

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gunner was told to open fire on it

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because the thought was a german night

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fighter but the bullets went into this

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thing and nothing happened it wasn't

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shot down it wasn't damaged didn't catch

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fire it just sat there and absorbed the

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bullets for one of the better phrase

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because it didn't do anything

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and then after a little while it flew

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around to the to the wing tip of the

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aircraft of the those two engine this

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twin engine bomber and sat there for a

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bit

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as they were flying along and of course

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the the net that at that point the nose

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gunner could actually open fire on it as

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well so at one stage the two turrets

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that the tail turret and the nose turret

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were actually opening fire on this light

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again to no avail then it moved around

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to a position

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in front of the bomber and just sat

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there as the bomber was flying through

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the sky

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um maintaining station a few hundred

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feet a hundred feet of yards off the the

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nose and then after a while it just shot

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off in the distance and never seen again

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the crew behind the aircraft concerned

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had also seen this light but they didn't

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want to report it um and of course when

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they got back to base this particular

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crew when they tried to report it to the

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intelligence officers they were asked

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were you drinking because that was a

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standard you know um sort of reply to

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when people said i've seen something

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anomalous

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now do you think all of these events

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were linked when we say the foo fighters

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were just describing anomalous lights in

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the sky that had a range of various

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movements and behaviors that we couldn't

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associate with a a normal aircraft of

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the time

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do you think we were seeing one in the

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same thing spread over various different

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countries or are we seeing a range of

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phenomena

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there's certainly a range involved

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because the lights are only a very small

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part of the overall you know strangeness

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that happened during world war ii if you

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look at a lot of the sightings during

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the day that it involved the american

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bomber crews flying over germany they

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were reporting things that were called

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swarms of bees or cottonwood balls and

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some other really strange things which i

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go into in detail in the book but that's

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all based on intelligence reports things

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were actually quoted in in official

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reports that went up the chain of

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command but then you go to places like

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russia and there was a case about

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something that looked like what it was

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described as an upturned bathtub

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so there's there's a whole kind of range

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of things involved different sizes there

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were aerial torpedoes that were 200 foot

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long they were described with portals

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along the side and that's another case

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so you know you name it it's probably

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you know it's in there somewhere in

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terms of the list of sightings during

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world war ii so you're looking at a kind

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of microcosm of what happened for the

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next you know 50 60 70 80 years because

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all the things that happened afterwards

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there's all shapes and sizes colored

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lights different types of objects sizes

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shapes well that all happened during the

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war as well so yeah it's possibly the

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same thing i can't say it is for

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definite but you know if you look at it

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in the round then it certainly seems to

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be that way

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i think it's a really interesting time

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and some of the stuff i've picked up

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from the book like you see those

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different descriptions

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it's from a place where like you see

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ufos

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flying saucers flying discs weren't in

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the language went on the lexicon as you

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said so it was very much down to the

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individual's interpretation of what they

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were seeing which is where you can get

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all these weird and wonderful

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descriptions from like before there was

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the color blue you know how would you

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describe blue it would be open to you

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know how you decided what it was and i

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think that that's what's really

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interesting that a lot of these

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individuals

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didn't have that preconceived notion

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that there wasn't a lot of science

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fiction was there out and about for

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people to read and pick up to put into

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their minds that well it's probably

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aliens or probably some sort of

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spacecraft is that fair to say

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it is because if you look at if you

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chart the the names that you use for

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this phenomenon or the things that we're

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seeing that actually changed over time

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as well because the original reports

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when you see from about 1942 when they

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started doing analysis on the things

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that were following the aircraft at

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night they were just called lights and

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the raf air crew actually called them

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either the light or the thing but then

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as the war progressed and they started

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getting cases of things that were

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zig-zagging through the skies and

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chasing aircraft they became called

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rockets because they were expecting the

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germans to be fielding anti-aircraft

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rockets and other types of rockets um

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and then

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when they thought that we're going to be

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fielding jets later on which actually

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happened much later than the reports

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that um that i have in the book suggest

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the they should call them start calling

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them mystery jets and they start to call

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them specific types of jets even though

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these jets hadn't been fielded by the

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luftwaffe at the particular time these

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reports were being made so it's it you

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can you can chart the progress of the

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name

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just how it changes through the years

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and that's you know that's quite telling

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as well because that shows that there's

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no preconceived idea or there must be

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aliens there must be flying sources

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again these these words weren't you know

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in in their in their kind of like data

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set you know it was just something that

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was going to happen in the future

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those words now are in the data set and

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with the benefit of 80 years of

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hindsight graham

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what do you think the food fighters were

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i can't sit here and tell you that andy

434
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because i have no idea all i can sort of

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believe is that there were the exact

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same thing that people started seeing in

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the late 40s and onwards i just think

438
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to say that the modern ufology started

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in 1947. i think that's possibly

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inaccurate i think it started earlier

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and these were the early maybe one of

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the earliest representations of the

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things that we're seeing you know we're

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seeing even today just over the last 80

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years um so that's that's why i thought

446
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this book was important it just shows

447
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people that you know 1947 wasn't the

448
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start of everything it might have been

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like a milestone for a lot of people but

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i think you should you know push that

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history a little bit further back by a

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few years at least because there's a lot

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going on during the war

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and what do you think graham just to

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wrap up the chances are some of the

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craft scene where secret weapons made

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more than likely by the germans

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i've looked into that quite deeply in

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the book and one of the aims in terms of

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the book was not only to give people an

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idea of the scale and

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the geographic and the time scale during

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the war about all these sightings it was

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actually to knock on the head some of

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the kind of myths about what the foo

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fighters were because if you look at the

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internet and you you read you know a lot

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of things you'll see that they're

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written off as v1 flying bombs or v2

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rockets or different types of german um

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jet fighter or rocket fighter now those

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can't have been the foo fighters for a

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variety of reasons which i haven't got

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time to go into now but if people read

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the book you'll see that the reasoning

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that i come up with and it's usually

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down to geography and times and just the

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fact that the germans weren't actually

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as far forward with a lot of things like

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anti-aircraft rockets than a lot of

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people think they were and sometimes the

482
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people give the germans too much credit

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for some of the secret weapons because

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actually

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they had a lot of things that they

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designed but putting them into practice

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was another thing entirely

488
00:16:14,069 --> 00:16:12,000
well graeme i think you've done a

489
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wonderful job in wrestling back the term

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foo fighter from a certain mr dave grohl

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so if people want to go and check ufos

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00:16:23,829 --> 00:16:20,880
before roswell european foo fighters

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00:16:26,790 --> 00:16:23,839
1940 to 1945 and like i said you get

494
00:16:28,790 --> 00:16:26,800
that wonderful forward by mr sean cahill

495
00:16:30,389 --> 00:16:28,800
and there as well graham how can people

496
00:16:32,150 --> 00:16:30,399
follow you and how can they get a hold

497
00:16:35,269 --> 00:16:32,160
of the book as well

498
00:16:37,509 --> 00:16:35,279
so my twitter handle is at border 750

499
00:16:39,110 --> 00:16:37,519
there's a link tree reference in my

500
00:16:40,949 --> 00:16:39,120
profile so you can see everything i do

501
00:16:42,870 --> 00:16:40,959
there you can look to get to my website

502
00:16:44,629 --> 00:16:42,880
where you can see my book for sale it's

503
00:16:46,470 --> 00:16:44,639
also on amazon so if you search my name

504
00:16:48,150 --> 00:16:46,480
graeme rendell on amazon you'll find it

505
00:16:50,069 --> 00:16:48,160
there you'll also find the siberian book

506
00:16:51,350 --> 00:16:50,079
there as well so yeah that's how we can

507
00:16:53,189 --> 00:16:51,360
get in touch with me

508
00:16:55,990 --> 00:16:53,199
brilliant graeme thanks for joining us

509
00:16:58,389 --> 00:16:56,000
and folks there is an extended interview

510
00:16:59,749 --> 00:16:58,399
for the that ufo podcast that will be

511
00:17:01,749 --> 00:16:59,759
available

512
00:17:04,390 --> 00:17:01,759
round about a few days after this show

513
00:17:07,270 --> 00:17:04,400
airs on kg ra so look for that from

514
00:17:08,870 --> 00:17:07,280
about the 25th 26th of october and that

515
00:17:10,789 --> 00:17:08,880
will be a longer form interview with

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graham and we'll dive into a bit more

517
00:17:15,829 --> 00:17:13,439
detail on some of those cases so graham

518
00:17:17,350 --> 00:17:15,839
again thank you very much for your time

519
00:17:19,510 --> 00:17:17,360
thanks andy

520
00:17:22,150 --> 00:17:19,520
welcome to the main portion of the show

521
00:17:24,309 --> 00:17:22,160
everyone we are on kgra digital

522
00:17:26,230 --> 00:17:24,319
broadcasting hello to everyone in the

523
00:17:28,230 --> 00:17:26,240
chat and i hope you've enjoyed the

524
00:17:31,190 --> 00:17:28,240
interview with the wonderful graeme

525
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rendell of uap media uk dan is joining

526
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me now for how we're doing dan i'm great

527
00:17:36,870 --> 00:17:34,880
thank you very much

528
00:17:38,470 --> 00:17:36,880
awesome we won't say too much about

529
00:17:41,270 --> 00:17:38,480
graham's interview because we have done

530
00:17:43,029 --> 00:17:41,280
a longer form interview also with graham

531
00:17:45,270 --> 00:17:43,039
for the main podcast so you can check

532
00:17:47,669 --> 00:17:45,280
that out when it drops it's already

533
00:17:50,230 --> 00:17:47,679
available on patreon.com forward slash

534
00:17:51,909 --> 00:17:50,240
that ufo podcast or you can subscribe to

535
00:17:54,470 --> 00:17:51,919
apple premium if you're an apple go to

536
00:17:55,669 --> 00:17:54,480
the apple podcast store click click and

537
00:17:57,110 --> 00:17:55,679
i think you click click i'm not sure

538
00:18:00,310 --> 00:17:57,120
what i said click click

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tap tap click click touch

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and you can get a two-week free trial of

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apple premium as well so you get early

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access ad free listening and some bonus

543
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content too

544
00:18:12,390 --> 00:18:10,240
but graeme was great to speak to please

545
00:18:14,150 --> 00:18:12,400
go and check out his book ufos before

546
00:18:16,390 --> 00:18:14,160
roswell and it's based on those

547
00:18:19,270 --> 00:18:16,400
encounters of the foo fighters and ufos

548
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between 1940 and 1945 some really

549
00:18:23,350 --> 00:18:22,000
interesting stuff very well researched

550
00:18:26,789 --> 00:18:23,360
as well

551
00:18:29,830 --> 00:18:26,799
that book is set down just before 1947

552
00:18:32,950 --> 00:18:29,840
and as we know roswell happened one of

553
00:18:35,590 --> 00:18:32,960
the most probably the most famous crash

554
00:18:37,909 --> 00:18:35,600
or reported crash of a ufo of all time

555
00:18:39,430 --> 00:18:37,919
and as crash retrieval week so we wanted

556
00:18:41,510 --> 00:18:39,440
to make sure as part of crash retrieval

557
00:18:44,070 --> 00:18:41,520
week we were covering it as thoroughly

558
00:18:46,470 --> 00:18:44,080
as possible for the show our friend

559
00:18:48,470 --> 00:18:46,480
james ian doley who is well known for

560
00:18:49,669 --> 00:18:48,480
his podcast engaging the phenomenon and

561
00:18:52,230 --> 00:18:49,679
his youtube channel make sure you're

562
00:18:54,070 --> 00:18:52,240
checking that out and also meta

563
00:18:56,710 --> 00:18:54,080
perspective now as well where he speaks

564
00:18:58,070 --> 00:18:56,720
to a kind of it's a bit more esoteric so

565
00:19:00,630 --> 00:18:58,080
if you're a little bit more leaning

566
00:19:02,789 --> 00:19:00,640
towards the woo i'd really recommend it

567
00:19:04,870 --> 00:19:02,799
cool yeah and yep there's definitely a

568
00:19:07,029 --> 00:19:04,880
new pod there too he's just on his

569
00:19:09,270 --> 00:19:07,039
appearance on unidentified celebrity

570
00:19:11,110 --> 00:19:09,280
review a couple of nights ago as well so

571
00:19:13,590 --> 00:19:11,120
go back and check that out and thanks to

572
00:19:15,590 --> 00:19:13,600
louise michael and rather b who are on

573
00:19:18,150 --> 00:19:15,600
just before us on kgre if you're

574
00:19:19,909 --> 00:19:18,160
catching this one at premieres as well

575
00:19:21,990 --> 00:19:19,919
um so yeah crash retrieval week was

576
00:19:24,470 --> 00:19:22,000
james's idea just to get people talking

577
00:19:25,990 --> 00:19:24,480
given all the the the nuggets that have

578
00:19:27,830 --> 00:19:26,000
been dropped into the news over the last

579
00:19:29,430 --> 00:19:27,840
couple of months and loyola zondo's

580
00:19:30,470 --> 00:19:29,440
talked about it you know a few others

581
00:19:31,909 --> 00:19:30,480
have too

582
00:19:33,190 --> 00:19:31,919
and it's just to kind of keep things

583
00:19:35,510 --> 00:19:33,200
fresh in people's minds it's an

584
00:19:37,430 --> 00:19:35,520
incredibly interesting part of the

585
00:19:39,590 --> 00:19:37,440
conversation when it comes to this

586
00:19:41,990 --> 00:19:39,600
subject and one that brings up a whole

587
00:19:44,630 --> 00:19:42,000
lot of different emotions we were on

588
00:19:46,789 --> 00:19:44,640
calling all beings uh well you didn't

589
00:19:50,150 --> 00:19:46,799
make it then um but i was on with dan

590
00:19:53,350 --> 00:19:50,160
warren i was on with james ian doley uh

591
00:19:56,310 --> 00:19:53,360
dj from who hosts the podcast nathan was

592
00:19:58,710 --> 00:19:56,320
on there as well and luis jimenez joined

593
00:20:01,029 --> 00:19:58,720
us too and that was a really interesting

594
00:20:03,190 --> 00:20:01,039
format and discussion but the the best

595
00:20:05,110 --> 00:20:03,200
part for me was when we were talking

596
00:20:07,029 --> 00:20:05,120
about the crash retrieval stuff because

597
00:20:08,870 --> 00:20:07,039
it really got everybody going and there

598
00:20:11,190 --> 00:20:08,880
was a lot of disagreements and intense

599
00:20:13,510 --> 00:20:11,200
discussion and where would materials be

600
00:20:15,510 --> 00:20:13,520
kept and why would we keep it secret and

601
00:20:17,510 --> 00:20:15,520
dj was adamant it must be still at area

602
00:20:19,270 --> 00:20:17,520
51 and some of us thought no surely it's

603
00:20:20,950 --> 00:20:19,280
been moved by now but it was a really

604
00:20:23,430 --> 00:20:20,960
interesting discussion and i was looking

605
00:20:25,110 --> 00:20:23,440
to just carry that forward and i wanted

606
00:20:26,789 --> 00:20:25,120
to know dan if you first off before we

607
00:20:29,190 --> 00:20:26,799
get to some of the listener questions

608
00:20:30,630 --> 00:20:29,200
have you got any favorite known stories

609
00:20:32,630 --> 00:20:30,640
or lesser known stories potentially

610
00:20:35,510 --> 00:20:32,640
involving crash retrievals yeah

611
00:20:39,270 --> 00:20:35,520
absolutely so one that's kind of near to

612
00:20:42,230 --> 00:20:39,280
to home for me uh aberystwyth 1983.

613
00:20:43,590 --> 00:20:42,240
farmer uh erwell evan uh

614
00:20:45,430 --> 00:20:43,600
woke up in the morning went outside and

615
00:20:48,070 --> 00:20:45,440
found all this debris strewn across his

616
00:20:51,110 --> 00:20:48,080
field uh he assumed a plane had crashed

617
00:20:52,789 --> 00:20:51,120
called the authorities the raf um they

618
00:20:54,549 --> 00:20:52,799
said that basically it wasn't anything

619
00:20:57,590 --> 00:20:54,559
of theirs they came with some plain

620
00:21:00,710 --> 00:20:57,600
clothes officers cleared it all up um a

621
00:21:03,669 --> 00:21:00,720
few weeks later they went sorry i say

622
00:21:05,510 --> 00:21:03,679
they oh well and in ufo investigator

623
00:21:07,830 --> 00:21:05,520
gary rowe went back out to the area

624
00:21:09,590 --> 00:21:07,840
where it happened um and found some

625
00:21:11,190 --> 00:21:09,600
damaged trees and amongst the damaged

626
00:21:13,669 --> 00:21:11,200
trees they found a bunch of debris that

627
00:21:15,270 --> 00:21:13,679
was kind of structured like honeycomb um

628
00:21:16,470 --> 00:21:15,280
which now we'd kind of probably look her

629
00:21:18,789 --> 00:21:16,480
and go you know what we make that kind

630
00:21:20,950 --> 00:21:18,799
of stuff but back then it didn't seem so

631
00:21:22,789 --> 00:21:20,960
prevalent out there um

632
00:21:25,270 --> 00:21:22,799
it has been tested

633
00:21:26,950 --> 00:21:25,280
um and found that basically it wasn't

634
00:21:29,990 --> 00:21:26,960
anything that the raf was using at the

635
00:21:31,830 --> 00:21:30,000
time the forestry commission after they

636
00:21:33,430 --> 00:21:31,840
sent this off for testing they actually

637
00:21:34,789 --> 00:21:33,440
cut down that part of the forest saying

638
00:21:37,909 --> 00:21:34,799
it was damaged in a storm which i

639
00:21:40,149 --> 00:21:37,919
thought was a little interesting um

640
00:21:42,070 --> 00:21:40,159
and then later on investigate to gary

641
00:21:43,750 --> 00:21:42,080
rowe who had the material and he keeps

642
00:21:46,149 --> 00:21:43,760
it on the lock and key so you know if

643
00:21:47,590 --> 00:21:46,159
you want to see it you contact him and

644
00:21:50,390 --> 00:21:47,600
he arranges for it to be brought to the

645
00:21:53,270 --> 00:21:50,400
house um but what he actually did was

646
00:21:55,350 --> 00:21:53,280
cut up a bunch of the material and made

647
00:21:57,350 --> 00:21:55,360
keyrings out of it that are kind of like

648
00:21:59,590 --> 00:21:57,360
these little circles that say the welsh

649
00:22:01,909 --> 00:21:59,600
roswell and he gave them out at ufo

650
00:22:04,070 --> 00:22:01,919
conventions and he says that at one

651
00:22:06,390 --> 00:22:04,080
point he was visited by the the men in

652
00:22:08,549 --> 00:22:06,400
black will say who asked for the debris

653
00:22:10,310 --> 00:22:08,559
and he you know

654
00:22:11,830 --> 00:22:10,320
like like a brave soul that he has told

655
00:22:13,029 --> 00:22:11,840
them i've actually already sent it out

656
00:22:14,390 --> 00:22:13,039
to people and if you don't stop

657
00:22:16,710 --> 00:22:14,400
bothering me i'm going to tell them all

658
00:22:18,950 --> 00:22:16,720
to go to the press um and that's kind of

659
00:22:20,950 --> 00:22:18,960
where the story stops he still has the

660
00:22:22,710 --> 00:22:20,960
you know the material

661
00:22:24,470 --> 00:22:22,720
it like i said it was tested it was

662
00:22:26,950 --> 00:22:24,480
nothing they were using at the time and

663
00:22:29,029 --> 00:22:26,960
like many things it's a it's an unknown

664
00:22:30,470 --> 00:22:29,039
um you can see the material in an

665
00:22:32,549 --> 00:22:30,480
interview on youtube if you search for

666
00:22:34,470 --> 00:22:32,559
gary rowe and sufan uh there is an

667
00:22:35,990 --> 00:22:34,480
interview there i i'd recommend people

668
00:22:37,909 --> 00:22:36,000
do that but yeah it's a lesser known one

669
00:22:39,350 --> 00:22:37,919
from from the welsh

670
00:22:41,510 --> 00:22:39,360
mid wild

671
00:22:43,029 --> 00:22:41,520
and i know for a fact dan you told me

672
00:22:45,110 --> 00:22:43,039
you want a hold of one of those key

673
00:22:47,350 --> 00:22:45,120
rings so if anyone listens everyone

674
00:22:50,390 --> 00:22:47,360
knows or i mean if you have one you want

675
00:22:52,549 --> 00:22:50,400
to gift to dan or you know if you have

676
00:22:54,390 --> 00:22:52,559
uh found one on ebay or anything like

677
00:22:55,830 --> 00:22:54,400
that give that a shot and he'll go

678
00:22:57,350 --> 00:22:55,840
betting on it because he's really really

679
00:22:59,590 --> 00:22:57,360
keen to get a hold of somebody please do

680
00:23:01,270 --> 00:22:59,600
i i'd love to get it and i'd love to

681
00:23:02,950 --> 00:23:01,280
you know use you some of the people that

682
00:23:05,510 --> 00:23:02,960
we've been lucky enough to talk to over

683
00:23:06,830 --> 00:23:05,520
the past year or so and and maybe get it

684
00:23:09,830 --> 00:23:06,840
looked at again i think that would be

685
00:23:12,789 --> 00:23:09,840
great dan you mentioned the honeycomb

686
00:23:13,990 --> 00:23:12,799
matrix shape what is the big deal with

687
00:23:16,149 --> 00:23:14,000
this because this is something that

688
00:23:18,630 --> 00:23:16,159
comes up more and more and i've not only

689
00:23:20,149 --> 00:23:18,640
seen this this honeycomb structure

690
00:23:22,390 --> 00:23:20,159
talked about in terms of physical

691
00:23:23,990 --> 00:23:22,400
material but when i've read or watched

692
00:23:25,669 --> 00:23:24,000
some interviews with you've kind of sent

693
00:23:27,590 --> 00:23:25,679
my way our stuff you've talked about and

694
00:23:29,110 --> 00:23:27,600
have more of an interest in where you

695
00:23:31,669 --> 00:23:29,120
even talk about the fabric of our

696
00:23:33,029 --> 00:23:31,679
reality and you know space time and all

697
00:23:35,190 --> 00:23:33,039
that kind of stuff you start to see this

698
00:23:36,870 --> 00:23:35,200
honeycomb structure come up more and

699
00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:36,880
more what is the deal with that if you

700
00:23:41,669 --> 00:23:39,120
can enlighten me a little bit i mean

701
00:23:43,990 --> 00:23:41,679
honeycomb the shape of it is just a very

702
00:23:45,990 --> 00:23:44,000
strong shape you know obviously bees use

703
00:23:47,430 --> 00:23:46,000
it for for their hives and there's a

704
00:23:49,029 --> 00:23:47,440
reason for that you know there's not a

705
00:23:52,230 --> 00:23:49,039
lot of material there but it's

706
00:23:53,510 --> 00:23:52,240
structurally very strong so it means

707
00:23:55,990 --> 00:23:53,520
you could use it for something like

708
00:23:57,750 --> 00:23:56,000
aircraft and it's light and strong so

709
00:24:00,789 --> 00:23:57,760
the plane can flow a little better

710
00:24:02,310 --> 00:24:00,799
basically um in terms of it kind of

711
00:24:03,909 --> 00:24:02,320
becoming a prevalent shape as you go

712
00:24:05,830 --> 00:24:03,919
down the fractals to the you know the

713
00:24:07,029 --> 00:24:05,840
bottom of our universe that's a really

714
00:24:09,350 --> 00:24:07,039
interesting point and no one really

715
00:24:10,870 --> 00:24:09,360
knows why those kind of things are there

716
00:24:12,870 --> 00:24:10,880
um but

717
00:24:14,950 --> 00:24:12,880
it's definitely worth kind of pointing

718
00:24:16,630 --> 00:24:14,960
out and keeping an eye on that

719
00:24:18,870 --> 00:24:16,640
this is this is a shape that shows up in

720
00:24:22,070 --> 00:24:18,880
nature a lot and and if you want kind of

721
00:24:23,990 --> 00:24:22,080
just one more where it shows up the um

722
00:24:26,070 --> 00:24:24,000
at the top of

723
00:24:28,149 --> 00:24:26,080
jupiter i want to say there's uh a big

724
00:24:30,470 --> 00:24:28,159
storm yeah it's actually a hexagon shape

725
00:24:31,990 --> 00:24:30,480
again so we're talking fractals that's

726
00:24:33,510 --> 00:24:32,000
obviously much bigger than a beehive and

727
00:24:36,230 --> 00:24:33,520
you can kind of go down as well it's

728
00:24:38,710 --> 00:24:36,240
super interesting no that's really cool

729
00:24:40,950 --> 00:24:38,720
and my my favorite um

730
00:24:42,630 --> 00:24:40,960
crash story is roswell there's just

731
00:24:45,110 --> 00:24:42,640
nothing else i remember watching movies

732
00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:45,120
when i was a kid growing up um

733
00:24:49,269 --> 00:24:47,520
there's a famous roswell movie uh you

734
00:24:50,549 --> 00:24:49,279
know i've seen the documentaries on it

735
00:24:53,110 --> 00:24:50,559
and i think the story is still

736
00:24:54,710 --> 00:24:53,120
fascinating i think it's one that

737
00:24:57,110 --> 00:24:54,720
there's not a whole lot of digging to be

738
00:24:58,950 --> 00:24:57,120
done with it anymore in terms of that

739
00:25:00,870 --> 00:24:58,960
most of the witnesses are of pa long

740
00:25:03,510 --> 00:25:00,880
passed on many of them and you're

741
00:25:06,149 --> 00:25:03,520
talking to the grandkids of of people

742
00:25:09,750 --> 00:25:06,159
who were involved now who again are

743
00:25:11,350 --> 00:25:09,760
considerably aged as well um

744
00:25:13,430 --> 00:25:11,360
there's not a whole lot i think to add

745
00:25:15,430 --> 00:25:13,440
to that story i think the real big next

746
00:25:17,269 --> 00:25:15,440
steps on that story would be some kind

747
00:25:19,590 --> 00:25:17,279
of official confirmation if we ever did

748
00:25:22,230 --> 00:25:19,600
get that that something did crash i know

749
00:25:24,630 --> 00:25:22,240
luis elizondo shared his personal belief

750
00:25:27,190 --> 00:25:24,640
on with thomas hessler i believe it was

751
00:25:28,950 --> 00:25:27,200
last night on their podcast that again

752
00:25:31,190 --> 00:25:28,960
he stressed just his personal belief no

753
00:25:33,430 --> 00:25:31,200
official confirmation which you can you

754
00:25:35,190 --> 00:25:33,440
could read into that what you will given

755
00:25:37,750 --> 00:25:35,200
what his job was and

756
00:25:40,470 --> 00:25:37,760
yeah yeah yeah exactly that he thinks

757
00:25:43,750 --> 00:25:40,480
roswell 100 happened

758
00:25:46,390 --> 00:25:43,760
no that doesn't say that roswell was 100

759
00:25:48,470 --> 00:25:46,400
an alien craft that crashed that just

760
00:25:50,549 --> 00:25:48,480
says that something crashed that wasn't

761
00:25:51,909 --> 00:25:50,559
the property of the us government and it

762
00:25:54,230 --> 00:25:51,919
was recovered

763
00:25:56,710 --> 00:25:54,240
again from there the story can go off in

764
00:25:58,230 --> 00:25:56,720
a whole load of different ways and we'll

765
00:25:59,750 --> 00:25:58,240
kind of come back to that with the

766
00:26:00,870 --> 00:25:59,760
footage review we do right at the end

767
00:26:02,950 --> 00:26:00,880
today as well

768
00:26:05,110 --> 00:26:02,960
do you think can i ask you do you think

769
00:26:05,909 --> 00:26:05,120
if roswell happened now

770
00:26:07,669 --> 00:26:05,919
with

771
00:26:09,430 --> 00:26:07,679
you know twitter and facebook and

772
00:26:11,510 --> 00:26:09,440
everything like that out there do you

773
00:26:12,870 --> 00:26:11,520
think that that you know jesse muscle

774
00:26:14,230 --> 00:26:12,880
would have just posted pictures straight

775
00:26:15,430 --> 00:26:14,240
away to the internet you know all the

776
00:26:17,029 --> 00:26:15,440
people that kind of came across this

777
00:26:19,269 --> 00:26:17,039
debris would it have gone on facebook

778
00:26:20,710 --> 00:26:19,279
first hey anyone know what this is and d

779
00:26:22,390 --> 00:26:20,720
do you think it would have you know

780
00:26:24,470 --> 00:26:22,400
broken this secret wide open if it

781
00:26:26,630 --> 00:26:24,480
happened these days

782
00:26:28,470 --> 00:26:26,640
that's a hard one because the context of

783
00:26:29,510 --> 00:26:28,480
the question like i think what happened

784
00:26:31,830 --> 00:26:29,520
at the time

785
00:26:34,630 --> 00:26:31,840
was it was one of the first

786
00:26:36,789 --> 00:26:34,640
and the us military didn't know how to

787
00:26:38,149 --> 00:26:36,799
deal with it which is why we got that

788
00:26:40,549 --> 00:26:38,159
press release out straight away that

789
00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:40,559
they had captured a flying saucer

790
00:26:44,070 --> 00:26:42,480
which then was very quickly corrected to

791
00:26:45,990 --> 00:26:44,080
no no just a weather balloon because

792
00:26:47,909 --> 00:26:46,000
they didn't know what else to do or what

793
00:26:50,789 --> 00:26:47,919
else to say there didn't seem to be

794
00:26:52,630 --> 00:26:50,799
protocols for it put in place i suppose

795
00:26:54,390 --> 00:26:52,640
are you talking that if it happened now

796
00:26:55,750 --> 00:26:54,400
it would be the first time it had ever

797
00:26:57,430 --> 00:26:55,760
happened

798
00:26:58,789 --> 00:26:57,440
uh yeah i guess in the scenario yeah

799
00:27:01,510 --> 00:26:58,799
yeah yeah for sure because that that

800
00:27:03,909 --> 00:27:01,520
makes a whole lot of difference um

801
00:27:06,789 --> 00:27:03,919
if you're going to we even let's just

802
00:27:08,710 --> 00:27:06,799
say we had the technology now that back

803
00:27:12,310 --> 00:27:08,720
then sorry that we have now so twitter

804
00:27:15,269 --> 00:27:13,909
i think you would have saw very quickly

805
00:27:18,630 --> 00:27:15,279
being shut down because i think you just

806
00:27:20,389 --> 00:27:18,640
have to take all things considered that

807
00:27:22,149 --> 00:27:20,399
there would be enough control mechanisms

808
00:27:24,310 --> 00:27:22,159
put in place that we were more

809
00:27:25,990 --> 00:27:24,320
sophisticated than things were back then

810
00:27:28,230 --> 00:27:26,000
that nat probably wouldn't have gotten

811
00:27:30,230 --> 00:27:28,240
gotten out and even let's let's flip

812
00:27:32,389 --> 00:27:30,240
flip that and say

813
00:27:34,950 --> 00:27:32,399
say it happened now anyway you look at

814
00:27:36,230 --> 00:27:34,960
the magi incident from last year where

815
00:27:39,190 --> 00:27:36,240
there were reports that something

816
00:27:41,669 --> 00:27:39,200
crashed in the the forest in brazil um

817
00:27:44,070 --> 00:27:41,679
in a small town maji and there were

818
00:27:46,789 --> 00:27:44,080
reports of beings being shot there were

819
00:27:47,909 --> 00:27:46,799
loud explosions you know us military

820
00:27:50,230 --> 00:27:47,919
apparently turned up a lot of

821
00:27:51,990 --> 00:27:50,240
helicopters in the area and again it was

822
00:27:53,669 --> 00:27:52,000
all very quickly shut down so one you

823
00:27:55,190 --> 00:27:53,679
could look at it and go maybe it was

824
00:27:56,549 --> 00:27:55,200
just a whole lot of nothing blown out of

825
00:27:59,029 --> 00:27:56,559
proportion

826
00:28:01,110 --> 00:27:59,039
or is that just a really good example of

827
00:28:03,430 --> 00:28:01,120
how quickly something like that can now

828
00:28:05,350 --> 00:28:03,440
be cleaned up and moved on yeah that's a

829
00:28:07,990 --> 00:28:05,360
good point and and i remember as well

830
00:28:09,669 --> 00:28:08,000
around that major crash there were a few

831
00:28:11,029 --> 00:28:09,679
videos put out rather quickly that were

832
00:28:12,389 --> 00:28:11,039
like oh you know i've taken a video of

833
00:28:13,990 --> 00:28:12,399
the saucer and they were completely fake

834
00:28:15,510 --> 00:28:14,000
it was like a plate kind of dug into the

835
00:28:17,750 --> 00:28:15,520
ground and shortness you breath to make

836
00:28:19,909 --> 00:28:17,760
it look you know so it makes you wonder

837
00:28:21,269 --> 00:28:19,919
it sounds kind of conspiracy theory-ish

838
00:28:22,630 --> 00:28:21,279
but at the same time we have to

839
00:28:24,310 --> 00:28:22,640
acknowledge that these

840
00:28:27,110 --> 00:28:24,320
these companies and power structures

841
00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:27,120
exist that could very easily do this

842
00:28:31,510 --> 00:28:29,760
i think it could go out now

843
00:28:33,750 --> 00:28:31,520
and most people wouldn't believe it

844
00:28:35,350 --> 00:28:33,760
anyway it goes back to that that same

845
00:28:38,230 --> 00:28:35,360
thing we've talked about a few times now

846
00:28:39,909 --> 00:28:38,240
that what does rio look like so what

847
00:28:41,190 --> 00:28:39,919
would uh crashed and you know we've seen

848
00:28:43,269 --> 00:28:41,200
the the

849
00:28:44,710 --> 00:28:43,279
clear footage of the saucer stuck in the

850
00:28:46,470 --> 00:28:44,720
ground but it's from the x-files season

851
00:28:49,510 --> 00:28:46,480
10 opener yeah yeah

852
00:28:51,830 --> 00:28:49,520
but if something like that went online

853
00:28:55,110 --> 00:28:51,840
it would just be it's from a movie at

854
00:28:56,789 --> 00:28:55,120
cgi it's fake someone put it there

855
00:28:58,470 --> 00:28:56,799
that's it that's all people have to do

856
00:29:01,110 --> 00:28:58,480
and there's enough doubt because why

857
00:29:03,510 --> 00:29:01,120
would it be real so it would be so hard

858
00:29:05,190 --> 00:29:03,520
to get that official confirmation unless

859
00:29:07,029 --> 00:29:05,200
it happened somewhere really built up

860
00:29:09,830 --> 00:29:07,039
for you know somewhere in london

861
00:29:12,070 --> 00:29:09,840
somewhere in new york you know chicago

862
00:29:14,549 --> 00:29:12,080
a really really populated area um so

863
00:29:16,630 --> 00:29:14,559
it's a hard one but that's

864
00:29:18,789 --> 00:29:16,640
just to touch on that

865
00:29:20,070 --> 00:29:18,799
lou gave a really good example um he

866
00:29:21,750 --> 00:29:20,080
said that when he was briefing people on

867
00:29:24,230 --> 00:29:21,760
the gimbal video he would show them a

868
00:29:26,310 --> 00:29:24,240
certain video of the apollo 11 capsule

869
00:29:28,789 --> 00:29:26,320
um because of the way it moved and it

870
00:29:30,389 --> 00:29:28,799
moves in a really kind of janky

871
00:29:31,590 --> 00:29:30,399
way uh obviously because it's in the

872
00:29:33,750 --> 00:29:31,600
vacuum of space and they're kind of

873
00:29:34,789 --> 00:29:33,760
using those thrusters to make it move

874
00:29:35,669 --> 00:29:34,799
that way

875
00:29:37,190 --> 00:29:35,679
but

876
00:29:40,470 --> 00:29:37,200
i'd recommend people watch it we'll put

877
00:29:42,710 --> 00:29:40,480
a link in the description um because

878
00:29:45,110 --> 00:29:42,720
imagine something moving like that in

879
00:29:46,630 --> 00:29:45,120
our atmosphere and you're right it just

880
00:29:49,029 --> 00:29:46,640
looks fake

881
00:29:51,110 --> 00:29:49,039
yeah if you bring in a bubble around

882
00:29:53,029 --> 00:29:51,120
some kind of craft that creates that

883
00:29:54,870 --> 00:29:53,039
vacuum of space potentially all around

884
00:29:57,190 --> 00:29:54,880
it like you see that's

885
00:29:59,190 --> 00:29:57,200
why these things would tilt and move and

886
00:30:00,789 --> 00:29:59,200
be able to perform right angle turns and

887
00:30:02,789 --> 00:30:00,799
and all that other kind of stuff as well

888
00:30:04,470 --> 00:30:02,799
so yeah that that was really interesting

889
00:30:06,710 --> 00:30:04,480
point and i think i shared that video on

890
00:30:08,389 --> 00:30:06,720
twitter and today which is no longer

891
00:30:09,750 --> 00:30:08,399
today when people watch this

892
00:30:11,350 --> 00:30:09,760
and people could be watching this in

893
00:30:13,510 --> 00:30:11,360
thousands of years again hello to the

894
00:30:15,430 --> 00:30:13,520
future i've said that before we recorded

895
00:30:17,029 --> 00:30:15,440
this in 2031.

896
00:30:18,389 --> 00:30:17,039
yeah oh don't lie that really confuses

897
00:30:19,990 --> 00:30:18,399
people

898
00:30:21,830 --> 00:30:20,000
but yeah so we'll get the link in there

899
00:30:23,750 --> 00:30:21,840
dan can make a note of that one to post

900
00:30:26,230 --> 00:30:23,760
that but we did reach out to the

901
00:30:29,029 --> 00:30:26,240
listeners on twitter on email on on the

902
00:30:32,070 --> 00:30:29,039
patreon and ask for their thoughts on

903
00:30:34,310 --> 00:30:32,080
this too so first off my k mikey said

904
00:30:36,630 --> 00:30:34,320
regarding crash retrievals can we

905
00:30:38,789 --> 00:30:36,640
delineate some plausible scenario in

906
00:30:41,590 --> 00:30:38,799
which a ufo crash could have been

907
00:30:44,149 --> 00:30:41,600
spoofed to mislead a foreign government

908
00:30:46,149 --> 00:30:44,159
or spread unrest amongst its people

909
00:30:47,990 --> 00:30:46,159
could we already have been victims of

910
00:30:50,789 --> 00:30:48,000
such a trojan horse

911
00:30:53,110 --> 00:30:50,799
what do you think then i think that's an

912
00:30:56,070 --> 00:30:53,120
excellent question so there's uh a

913
00:30:58,549 --> 00:30:56,080
chapter in jack valley's stratagem where

914
00:31:00,470 --> 00:30:58,559
he he's talking about how the secret

915
00:31:03,509 --> 00:31:00,480
keepers kind of kept the secret and a

916
00:31:04,389 --> 00:31:03,519
part of that was to muddy the data

917
00:31:06,549 --> 00:31:04,399
basically

918
00:31:09,509 --> 00:31:06,559
they they set up a bunch of watchtowers

919
00:31:11,909 --> 00:31:09,519
over an area and then they staged ufo

920
00:31:13,190 --> 00:31:11,919
events including crashes so that you get

921
00:31:15,190 --> 00:31:13,200
all these reports and they could study

922
00:31:16,950 --> 00:31:15,200
how people are reacting to you know a

923
00:31:18,870 --> 00:31:16,960
light in the sky even though it's fake

924
00:31:21,110 --> 00:31:18,880
and it also means then that the people

925
00:31:23,509 --> 00:31:21,120
doing the staging the only ones who know

926
00:31:26,389 --> 00:31:23,519
what the actual ufos are versus you know

927
00:31:29,430 --> 00:31:26,399
the man-made kind of fakie stuff um

928
00:31:31,590 --> 00:31:29,440
so i i think that has probably happened

929
00:31:32,950 --> 00:31:31,600
um especially

930
00:31:34,230 --> 00:31:32,960
in terms of

931
00:31:35,590 --> 00:31:34,240
you know distracting countries and

932
00:31:40,789 --> 00:31:35,600
giving them something else to worry

933
00:31:43,990 --> 00:31:42,470
i i could imagine scenarios like that

934
00:31:45,430 --> 00:31:44,000
happening you know during the war or

935
00:31:47,190 --> 00:31:45,440
something like that because they would

936
00:31:49,590 --> 00:31:47,200
put up fake tanks and things like that

937
00:31:51,269 --> 00:31:49,600
to scare the enemy and

938
00:31:52,710 --> 00:31:51,279
i'd be surprised if it wasn't at least

939
00:31:53,990 --> 00:31:52,720
pitched you know

940
00:31:55,830 --> 00:31:54,000
well look what happened when the

941
00:31:57,830 --> 00:31:55,840
original broadcast of war of the worlds

942
00:31:59,669 --> 00:31:57,840
orson welles went out on radio and

943
00:32:01,830 --> 00:31:59,679
people thought it was a genuine

944
00:32:03,350 --> 00:32:01,840
broadcast of an alien invasion and there

945
00:32:04,950 --> 00:32:03,360
was a huge panic

946
00:32:07,830 --> 00:32:04,960
i gotta say i do think that's a little

947
00:32:09,830 --> 00:32:07,840
myth-making there was a little i think

948
00:32:11,509 --> 00:32:09,840
so there was this story when i was

949
00:32:13,029 --> 00:32:11,519
studying film where when they showed the

950
00:32:14,630 --> 00:32:13,039
first film everyone in the cinema kind

951
00:32:16,710 --> 00:32:14,640
of ran out the cinema it was just a

952
00:32:18,149 --> 00:32:16,720
train coming towards them in a station

953
00:32:19,990 --> 00:32:18,159
and

954
00:32:21,830 --> 00:32:20,000
after a bit of digging i kind of found

955
00:32:23,830 --> 00:32:21,840
that yeah you know two or three people

956
00:32:25,509 --> 00:32:23,840
panicked but generally it's a black and

957
00:32:27,669 --> 00:32:25,519
white screen and it's flat and people

958
00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:27,679
aren't going to think of that as a real

959
00:32:31,029 --> 00:32:29,760
train station and run away so it's just

960
00:32:32,630 --> 00:32:31,039
one of these things that over time i

961
00:32:33,830 --> 00:32:32,640
think just kind of you know blow up

962
00:32:36,310 --> 00:32:33,840
maybe there were a few people that had a

963
00:32:37,509 --> 00:32:36,320
really bad reaction but generally you

964
00:32:39,110 --> 00:32:37,519
know people weren't in the streets

965
00:32:40,389 --> 00:32:39,120
building and looting and things you know

966
00:32:42,950 --> 00:32:40,399
no i don't believe that i'm going to

967
00:32:45,110 --> 00:32:42,960
edit that out to make myself look more

968
00:32:46,549 --> 00:32:45,120
correct but it just shows you though

969
00:32:47,669 --> 00:32:46,559
that there are there are ways that this

970
00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:47,679
could have happened

971
00:32:52,870 --> 00:32:50,640
i'm not too sure in terms of ufos

972
00:32:56,950 --> 00:32:52,880
crashing but what i do think absolutely

973
00:32:59,909 --> 00:32:56,960
is plausible is that us china russia

974
00:33:01,990 --> 00:32:59,919
have crashed technology

975
00:33:04,389 --> 00:33:02,000
deliberately in other countries or out

976
00:33:06,549 --> 00:33:04,399
at sea next to vessels of of the enemy

977
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:06,559
that to deliberately confuse them

978
00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:08,640
whether it was a prototype they had no

979
00:33:11,909 --> 00:33:10,559
intention of doing you know whether

980
00:33:13,830 --> 00:33:11,919
they've crashed something that allows

981
00:33:15,750 --> 00:33:13,840
them to spy a little bit potentially

982
00:33:18,230 --> 00:33:15,760
wanting it to be captured i would

983
00:33:20,950 --> 00:33:18,240
absolutely expect that to happen yeah

984
00:33:23,190 --> 00:33:20,960
and they they'd be able to see how you

985
00:33:25,110 --> 00:33:23,200
know what the protocols were in that

986
00:33:27,669 --> 00:33:25,120
country for a recovery of that kind of

987
00:33:29,350 --> 00:33:27,679
nature um yeah i think that would be a

988
00:33:30,870 --> 00:33:29,360
great technique and i can see it

989
00:33:32,710 --> 00:33:30,880
absolutely being used

990
00:33:34,389 --> 00:33:32,720
we talked about was it and i forget now

991
00:33:36,149 --> 00:33:34,399
because so many things came out at the

992
00:33:38,549 --> 00:33:36,159
same time in the summer was it the omaha

993
00:33:39,750 --> 00:33:38,559
or the russell event that was swarmed by

994
00:33:41,509 --> 00:33:39,760
ufos

995
00:33:44,070 --> 00:33:41,519
uh both it was kind of

996
00:33:45,430 --> 00:33:44,080
the series yeah uss raphael

997
00:33:47,509 --> 00:33:45,440
um yeah there were there were a whole

998
00:33:48,789 --> 00:33:47,519
bunch of them so yeah that event and one

999
00:33:51,509 --> 00:33:48,799
of the things that came out about that

1000
00:33:55,110 --> 00:33:51,519
which is very plausible was that if that

1001
00:33:57,350 --> 00:33:55,120
was the us navy being swarmed by

1002
00:33:58,389 --> 00:33:57,360
for example chinese or russian drones we

1003
00:34:01,190 --> 00:33:58,399
always have to use these three

1004
00:34:03,029 --> 00:34:01,200
superpowers don't we then you would just

1005
00:34:05,350 --> 00:34:03,039
leave them be because what you're doing

1006
00:34:07,430 --> 00:34:05,360
both sides are intelligence gathering

1007
00:34:08,149 --> 00:34:07,440
because if you are the enemy you want to

1008
00:34:10,230 --> 00:34:08,159
see

1009
00:34:12,069 --> 00:34:10,240
how they deal with it what they've got

1010
00:34:13,190 --> 00:34:12,079
in terms of stopping you doing what

1011
00:34:15,270 --> 00:34:13,200
you're doing

1012
00:34:17,829 --> 00:34:15,280
can they and you both sides can gather

1013
00:34:20,950 --> 00:34:17,839
data just off the back of observing

1014
00:34:23,669 --> 00:34:20,960
and it's who blinks first and those

1015
00:34:25,510 --> 00:34:23,679
those ships go into dark mode as well so

1016
00:34:27,109 --> 00:34:25,520
it's almost like they're aware okay

1017
00:34:29,669 --> 00:34:27,119
these could be gathering data so let's

1018
00:34:31,270 --> 00:34:29,679
not react properly to this we'll close

1019
00:34:32,790 --> 00:34:31,280
down we'll get our snoopy team on deck

1020
00:34:34,629 --> 00:34:32,800
we'll just watch these things and soak

1021
00:34:36,149 --> 00:34:34,639
up the intelligence because they want us

1022
00:34:38,069 --> 00:34:36,159
to react you know

1023
00:34:40,069 --> 00:34:38,079
get the snoopy team on deck and film

1024
00:34:41,750 --> 00:34:40,079
that aircraft overhead that looks like a

1025
00:34:44,069 --> 00:34:41,760
triangular ufo

1026
00:34:45,669 --> 00:34:44,079
or not as it as it was at the time we're

1027
00:34:47,190 --> 00:34:45,679
not going back to that conversation

1028
00:34:48,869 --> 00:34:47,200
we're not going back there that's what

1029
00:34:51,750 --> 00:34:48,879
we've moved on ufo twitter's gonna have

1030
00:34:53,510 --> 00:34:51,760
to fight about uh dave had a question

1031
00:34:55,030 --> 00:34:53,520
and uh something that was of course

1032
00:34:57,349 --> 00:34:55,040
going to come up when discussing crash

1033
00:35:00,069 --> 00:34:57,359
retrievals i can hear joe margie are

1034
00:35:01,910 --> 00:35:00,079
somewhere taking note as we speak

1035
00:35:04,150 --> 00:35:01,920
do you believe what admiral wilson was

1036
00:35:06,870 --> 00:35:04,160
told about very little progress being

1037
00:35:08,950 --> 00:35:06,880
made with the crashed craft or was this

1038
00:35:10,870 --> 00:35:08,960
just said to make him stop digging and

1039
00:35:13,030 --> 00:35:10,880
the truth is we have made progress and

1040
00:35:14,950 --> 00:35:13,040
have advanced craft with military

1041
00:35:17,829 --> 00:35:14,960
capability so a bit of back engineering

1042
00:35:19,670 --> 00:35:17,839
there eric davies says no ross coltar

1043
00:35:21,270 --> 00:35:19,680
has suggested maybe that's very

1044
00:35:23,430 --> 00:35:21,280
non-committalism to eric davies

1045
00:35:25,270 --> 00:35:23,440
definitely not russ coulthard said

1046
00:35:26,950 --> 00:35:25,280
possibly i i think

1047
00:35:29,349 --> 00:35:26,960
we're looking at two answers that are

1048
00:35:31,910 --> 00:35:29,359
very relative there you know eric davis

1049
00:35:33,510 --> 00:35:31,920
is this super smart scientist and when

1050
00:35:36,150 --> 00:35:33,520
you ask him you know we figured it out

1051
00:35:38,310 --> 00:35:36,160
he's going to want the complete picture

1052
00:35:40,870 --> 00:35:38,320
as when ross is looking at it he's

1053
00:35:43,109 --> 00:35:40,880
thinking have we figured any of it out

1054
00:35:44,710 --> 00:35:43,119
and you know those tidbits he gets kind

1055
00:35:46,150 --> 00:35:44,720
of confirmed you know what we might have

1056
00:35:47,430 --> 00:35:46,160
kind of started scratching the surface

1057
00:35:49,910 --> 00:35:47,440
of this stuff and we're starting to get

1058
00:35:52,950 --> 00:35:49,920
to a technological place where we can

1059
00:35:55,109 --> 00:35:52,960
actually dive deeper and and this kind

1060
00:35:57,430 --> 00:35:55,119
of brilliant what i think you know we

1061
00:35:59,430 --> 00:35:57,440
talk about gifting a lot and things like

1062
00:36:00,870 --> 00:35:59,440
that um

1063
00:36:02,870 --> 00:36:00,880
and i think it's all to do with

1064
00:36:05,750 --> 00:36:02,880
something that i just call the march of

1065
00:36:07,910 --> 00:36:05,760
precision if you look at human history

1066
00:36:11,030 --> 00:36:07,920
every single bit of progress you know

1067
00:36:12,390 --> 00:36:11,040
the difference between now and you know

1068
00:36:14,870 --> 00:36:12,400
god knows how long ago

1069
00:36:17,589 --> 00:36:14,880
is precision it's not just fire it's not

1070
00:36:19,910 --> 00:36:17,599
just you know engines it's all about how

1071
00:36:22,310 --> 00:36:19,920
precise we can be and we've gone from

1072
00:36:24,950 --> 00:36:22,320
being able to you know build really

1073
00:36:27,109 --> 00:36:24,960
crappy houses to now being able to build

1074
00:36:30,470 --> 00:36:27,119
quantum computers that use almost the

1075
00:36:33,030 --> 00:36:30,480
fabric of the universe you know it's

1076
00:36:35,270 --> 00:36:33,040
we're very very precise and if these

1077
00:36:38,310 --> 00:36:35,280
materials like they say are layered

1078
00:36:40,230 --> 00:36:38,320
bismuth magnesium you know all kind of

1079
00:36:42,630 --> 00:36:40,240
atomically placed in ways that nature

1080
00:36:44,550 --> 00:36:42,640
can't do then i'd say we're kind of

1081
00:36:47,190 --> 00:36:44,560
getting to the point where we can maybe

1082
00:36:49,190 --> 00:36:47,200
start thinking about doing that and

1083
00:36:51,510 --> 00:36:49,200
unlock the deeper secrets of whatever

1084
00:36:54,870 --> 00:36:51,520
you know craft or material we have you

1085
00:36:56,150 --> 00:36:54,880
you've spoken before about

1086
00:36:57,829 --> 00:36:56,160
kind of

1087
00:37:00,470 --> 00:36:57,839
taking certain things from the crash

1088
00:37:03,030 --> 00:37:00,480
retrievals so though we might not have

1089
00:37:05,270 --> 00:37:03,040
figured it all out they might have had

1090
00:37:06,870 --> 00:37:05,280
fiber optics in the walls and we've got

1091
00:37:08,630 --> 00:37:06,880
uh-huh we've seen that in nature that's

1092
00:37:10,950 --> 00:37:08,640
a really cool way of passing light okay

1093
00:37:12,710 --> 00:37:10,960
let's get that to certain scientists who

1094
00:37:14,470 --> 00:37:12,720
can you put those two puzzle pieces

1095
00:37:16,390 --> 00:37:14,480
together and voila it's now out in the

1096
00:37:18,790 --> 00:37:16,400
world and we're using it but we're still

1097
00:37:21,030 --> 00:37:18,800
not as advanced as the aliens

1098
00:37:22,710 --> 00:37:21,040
or the visitors i should say so how

1099
00:37:25,670 --> 00:37:22,720
likely do you think it is that we've got

1100
00:37:28,390 --> 00:37:25,680
that independence day scenario of you

1101
00:37:31,109 --> 00:37:28,400
can walk into area 51 and there is just

1102
00:37:31,829 --> 00:37:31,119
a big alien craft sitting there that you

1103
00:37:34,310 --> 00:37:31,839
know

1104
00:37:37,270 --> 00:37:34,320
they managed to turn on and let's forget

1105
00:37:38,550 --> 00:37:37,280
that they can fly it with a laptop

1106
00:37:40,790 --> 00:37:38,560
so i'm going to change one thing about

1107
00:37:42,310 --> 00:37:40,800
that scenario just because

1108
00:37:43,829 --> 00:37:42,320
you know if they if they found an iphone

1109
00:37:44,950 --> 00:37:43,839
50 years ago they could use it for about

1110
00:37:47,510 --> 00:37:44,960
two days and then the battery is going

1111
00:37:49,589 --> 00:37:47,520
to die right so i i don't necessarily

1112
00:37:50,870 --> 00:37:49,599
think it's powered on but i think they

1113
00:37:54,790 --> 00:37:50,880
might know

1114
00:37:57,030 --> 00:37:54,800
what it needs it to to be powered um

1115
00:37:59,430 --> 00:37:57,040
and that it sat there complete

1116
00:38:01,270 --> 00:37:59,440
you know ross had that great story of

1117
00:38:03,589 --> 00:38:01,280
craft being found engine running with

1118
00:38:05,270 --> 00:38:03,599
the lights on yeah so you would just

1119
00:38:07,430 --> 00:38:05,280
keep it you i mean i wouldn't turn that

1120
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:07,440
off i would keep that running and just

1121
00:38:11,430 --> 00:38:09,599
for as long as it could

1122
00:38:13,510 --> 00:38:11,440
and and we talk about

1123
00:38:16,150 --> 00:38:13,520
again some of these craft

1124
00:38:17,990 --> 00:38:16,160
you know power powering them on maybe

1125
00:38:20,230 --> 00:38:18,000
some of them are in a perpetual state of

1126
00:38:21,829 --> 00:38:20,240
that is just how they exist it's not a

1127
00:38:24,230 --> 00:38:21,839
power source potentially for some of

1128
00:38:26,310 --> 00:38:24,240
them as we understand it and you can't

1129
00:38:28,310 --> 00:38:26,320
turn it on and off they just exist in

1130
00:38:30,390 --> 00:38:28,320
that state and that's when you hear

1131
00:38:33,190 --> 00:38:30,400
sometimes they talk about maybe some of

1132
00:38:35,670 --> 00:38:33,200
these craft are potentially almost

1133
00:38:37,349 --> 00:38:35,680
living entities or or machines or

1134
00:38:39,270 --> 00:38:37,359
mechanisms themselves

1135
00:38:41,270 --> 00:38:39,280
you just don't know that that's how

1136
00:38:43,190 --> 00:38:41,280
something has evolved somewhere to the

1137
00:38:44,630 --> 00:38:43,200
point that it's it's almost like a

1138
00:38:46,470 --> 00:38:44,640
biological machine and this is something

1139
00:38:47,910 --> 00:38:46,480
i was thinking about the other day just

1140
00:38:49,910 --> 00:38:47,920
i'm going to probably butcher this

1141
00:38:51,190 --> 00:38:49,920
trying to sound halfway intelligent but

1142
00:38:54,150 --> 00:38:51,200
just for example something like

1143
00:38:56,710 --> 00:38:54,160
photosynthesis that something biological

1144
00:38:59,670 --> 00:38:56,720
can take sunlight and

1145
00:39:01,910 --> 00:38:59,680
grow and get sustenance from it and

1146
00:39:04,069 --> 00:39:01,920
you know can bloom and turn into flowers

1147
00:39:06,310 --> 00:39:04,079
and everything else that's an incredible

1148
00:39:08,390 --> 00:39:06,320
process for something which is literally

1149
00:39:10,550 --> 00:39:08,400
you can rip up in your hand you can pull

1150
00:39:11,750 --> 00:39:10,560
up you know a plant out the ground and

1151
00:39:13,349 --> 00:39:11,760
destroy it

1152
00:39:14,790 --> 00:39:13,359
so what's to say that somewhere else

1153
00:39:17,349 --> 00:39:14,800
something else hasn't evolved or

1154
00:39:19,270 --> 00:39:17,359
developed to the point it's it's more

1155
00:39:20,630 --> 00:39:19,280
structured than we understand it that we

1156
00:39:22,950 --> 00:39:20,640
would call a machine

1157
00:39:24,550 --> 00:39:22,960
but has a lot of the signs of of being a

1158
00:39:26,069 --> 00:39:24,560
living thing

1159
00:39:28,390 --> 00:39:26,079
yeah i mean there's an argument to be

1160
00:39:29,990 --> 00:39:28,400
made that we are machines right i always

1161
00:39:31,990 --> 00:39:30,000
say when we make the perfect camera it's

1162
00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:32,000
going to be like a perfect human eye you

1163
00:39:36,069 --> 00:39:34,320
know we'll kind of need something to be

1164
00:39:37,990 --> 00:39:36,079
able to record the data and we might

1165
00:39:39,270 --> 00:39:38,000
make a you know a warm mushy quantum

1166
00:39:41,349 --> 00:39:39,280
computer that we end up calling the

1167
00:39:43,670 --> 00:39:41,359
brain but we're essentially machines

1168
00:39:45,430 --> 00:39:43,680
built by nature so it makes you wonder

1169
00:39:48,550 --> 00:39:45,440
you know if

1170
00:39:50,230 --> 00:39:48,560
say in 300 years if we make a

1171
00:39:51,430 --> 00:39:50,240
craft that

1172
00:39:52,870 --> 00:39:51,440
thinks

1173
00:39:55,030 --> 00:39:52,880
and

1174
00:39:56,630 --> 00:39:55,040
then we would we wouldn't think of it as

1175
00:39:58,710 --> 00:39:56,640
a living thing right it would just be a

1176
00:40:00,550 --> 00:39:58,720
type of bio craft that would be it's the

1177
00:40:02,630 --> 00:40:00,560
technology we're using but send it back

1178
00:40:03,670 --> 00:40:02,640
to now and we see it as a living thing

1179
00:40:04,870 --> 00:40:03,680
because we don't understand

1180
00:40:05,670 --> 00:40:04,880
consciousness

1181
00:40:08,150 --> 00:40:05,680
but

1182
00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:08,160
that that's kind of a running theme that

1183
00:40:13,109 --> 00:40:10,560
these craft run on consciousness and

1184
00:40:15,190 --> 00:40:13,119
that you know some people uh

1185
00:40:16,470 --> 00:40:15,200
with we'll say psychic powers i guess no

1186
00:40:18,390 --> 00:40:16,480
other way around it

1187
00:40:20,230 --> 00:40:18,400
um have been taken into the program to

1188
00:40:22,790 --> 00:40:20,240
kind of sit in these machines and try

1189
00:40:24,470 --> 00:40:22,800
and uh try and light them up so it makes

1190
00:40:25,910 --> 00:40:24,480
me wonder we we talk a lot about

1191
00:40:27,349 --> 00:40:25,920
consciousness being the fabric of the

1192
00:40:29,190 --> 00:40:27,359
universe and

1193
00:40:31,109 --> 00:40:29,200
people call it zero point and all these

1194
00:40:32,630 --> 00:40:31,119
other things and i wonder if it's just

1195
00:40:33,670 --> 00:40:32,640
all the same thing and this is how they

1196
00:40:35,030 --> 00:40:33,680
run i thought that was a really good

1197
00:40:36,950 --> 00:40:35,040
point

1198
00:40:38,950 --> 00:40:36,960
um what i'll do is we we mentioned this

1199
00:40:40,230 --> 00:40:38,960
before be recalled to dan nathan sent in

1200
00:40:42,390 --> 00:40:40,240
a couple of questions but we're not

1201
00:40:44,150 --> 00:40:42,400
going to read those because nathan is

1202
00:40:46,710 --> 00:40:44,160
from the calling all beings podcast he's

1203
00:40:48,309 --> 00:40:46,720
a long time listener to our show in our

1204
00:40:50,630 --> 00:40:48,319
podcast and we're going to get nathan on

1205
00:40:52,950 --> 00:40:50,640
to discuss that with us for for the main

1206
00:40:54,550 --> 00:40:52,960
pod as well so um that'll be out

1207
00:40:55,990 --> 00:40:54,560
sometime hopefully this week or next

1208
00:40:57,349 --> 00:40:56,000
week so people keep an eye out for that

1209
00:40:59,910 --> 00:40:57,359
one it'll be on the youtube and

1210
00:41:01,270 --> 00:40:59,920
available via audio only but nathan is a

1211
00:41:02,550 --> 00:41:01,280
really good guy to chat through this

1212
00:41:04,550 --> 00:41:02,560
stuff as well so that'll be a fun

1213
00:41:05,750 --> 00:41:04,560
conversation i've i've missed nathan on

1214
00:41:07,670 --> 00:41:05,760
some of the callings as well so i'm

1215
00:41:09,589 --> 00:41:07,680
excited to finally uh meet him and talk

1216
00:41:10,790 --> 00:41:09,599
properly yeah he's a good guy he knows

1217
00:41:12,630 --> 00:41:10,800
his stuff and people should check out

1218
00:41:13,589 --> 00:41:12,640
that conversation on on calling all

1219
00:41:16,390 --> 00:41:13,599
beings

1220
00:41:18,870 --> 00:41:16,400
um james has a question and a point that

1221
00:41:20,630 --> 00:41:18,880
the crash retrievals is it obvious that

1222
00:41:23,270 --> 00:41:20,640
these craft and their occupants are

1223
00:41:25,030 --> 00:41:23,280
always extraterrestrial or do you think

1224
00:41:27,829 --> 00:41:25,040
that there's the potential of them being

1225
00:41:31,349 --> 00:41:27,839
future humans piloting time machines

1226
00:41:32,150 --> 00:41:31,359
like ross coulthard postulated

1227
00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:32,160
yes

1228
00:41:36,630 --> 00:41:35,040
in a nutshell i i mean

1229
00:41:38,710 --> 00:41:36,640
what's more likely

1230
00:41:40,069 --> 00:41:38,720
is possible yeah that's it with this we

1231
00:41:41,670 --> 00:41:40,079
can keep going yeah it could be it could

1232
00:41:43,829 --> 00:41:41,680
be it could be and you have to do that

1233
00:41:46,069 --> 00:41:43,839
but there also is

1234
00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:46,079
what's more likely what do you think

1235
00:41:49,670 --> 00:41:47,280
personally

1236
00:41:52,150 --> 00:41:49,680
more stars in the universe than neurons

1237
00:41:53,829 --> 00:41:52,160
uh then grains of sand on the beach each

1238
00:41:55,750 --> 00:41:53,839
one of those is gonna have

1239
00:41:57,990 --> 00:41:55,760
you know or maybe has a solar system

1240
00:42:00,710 --> 00:41:58,000
around them um we've already identified

1241
00:42:03,589 --> 00:42:00,720
planets that are better than earth for

1242
00:42:05,829 --> 00:42:03,599
uh for life to develop

1243
00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:05,839
i would lean towards the easy

1244
00:42:11,109 --> 00:42:08,160
kind of hypothesis but i'm very very

1245
00:42:12,630 --> 00:42:11,119
aware that once you get to those speeds

1246
00:42:13,990 --> 00:42:12,640
you know when we're talking warp drives

1247
00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:14,000
and things like that we're essentially

1248
00:42:18,390 --> 00:42:16,480
talking time travel so the one kind of

1249
00:42:19,990 --> 00:42:18,400
opens up the other for me

1250
00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:20,000
yeah and again it's the whole

1251
00:42:25,589 --> 00:42:23,520
understanding of time and time being we

1252
00:42:27,589 --> 00:42:25,599
have a clock and the clocks go forward

1253
00:42:29,990 --> 00:42:27,599
and time's a man-made construct but then

1254
00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:30,000
you know what what if you could go back

1255
00:42:33,430 --> 00:42:31,440
but maybe there's another way to look at

1256
00:42:35,349 --> 00:42:33,440
time as well that we just wouldn't

1257
00:42:37,190 --> 00:42:35,359
understand as being time and that's

1258
00:42:38,550 --> 00:42:37,200
something that people far far more

1259
00:42:41,349 --> 00:42:38,560
intelligent than myself getting their

1260
00:42:44,069 --> 00:42:41,359
conversations about so yeah stuff you

1261
00:42:45,510 --> 00:42:44,079
enjoy watching then yeah i love it um i

1262
00:42:46,630 --> 00:42:45,520
was just going to say about tana you

1263
00:42:48,710 --> 00:42:46,640
know it's really hard to get your head

1264
00:42:50,309 --> 00:42:48,720
around but i'd recommend people just

1265
00:42:51,990 --> 00:42:50,319
search on youtube

1266
00:42:53,910 --> 00:42:52,000
for you know there are people that kind

1267
00:42:55,349 --> 00:42:53,920
of break it all down and you understand

1268
00:42:57,750 --> 00:42:55,359
the intricacies of it and it breaks your

1269
00:42:59,589 --> 00:42:57,760
head a bit but that's kind of because we

1270
00:43:00,790 --> 00:42:59,599
experience time in a linear fashion and

1271
00:43:03,190 --> 00:43:00,800
i think it's really interesting to try

1272
00:43:05,030 --> 00:43:03,200
and explore that wider idea like after

1273
00:43:06,790 --> 00:43:05,040
the sixth time i had watched it down and

1274
00:43:08,630 --> 00:43:06,800
still messaged you back and forward that

1275
00:43:09,589 --> 00:43:08,640
i think i've got about 70 in the movie

1276
00:43:11,750 --> 00:43:09,599
now

1277
00:43:14,309 --> 00:43:11,760
which i really enjoy it but uh yeah it's

1278
00:43:16,150 --> 00:43:14,319
just it's a bit of a head head mess um a

1279
00:43:18,230 --> 00:43:16,160
couple more questions from you folks

1280
00:43:20,309 --> 00:43:18,240
john jr what are your thoughts on

1281
00:43:22,630 --> 00:43:20,319
gifting dan you mentioned this earlier

1282
00:43:24,870 --> 00:43:22,640
in regards to crash retrievals could the

1283
00:43:28,470 --> 00:43:24,880
crashes been part of a larger plan to

1284
00:43:30,870 --> 00:43:28,480
gift humanity with advanced technology

1285
00:43:35,510 --> 00:43:30,880
i i think gifting is

1286
00:43:38,390 --> 00:43:35,520
a really interesting part of the kind of

1287
00:43:40,390 --> 00:43:38,400
the subtle influence of the phenomena

1288
00:43:41,990 --> 00:43:40,400
why why would i have the intent to do

1289
00:43:46,230 --> 00:43:42,000
that

1290
00:43:47,510 --> 00:43:46,240
we're talking the intent of the visitors

1291
00:43:50,710 --> 00:43:47,520
here so that's

1292
00:43:52,550 --> 00:43:50,720
anyone's guess really but but for me i i

1293
00:43:54,309 --> 00:43:52,560
think and i'm gonna use the term raising

1294
00:43:55,589 --> 00:43:54,319
consciousness here and i don't mean it

1295
00:43:57,589 --> 00:43:55,599
in a kind of you know you're gonna

1296
00:43:59,990 --> 00:43:57,599
become like goku and go flying and do

1297
00:44:01,750 --> 00:44:00,000
energy beams and stuff i just mean

1298
00:44:04,069 --> 00:44:01,760
it's gonna start making you think in a

1299
00:44:06,390 --> 00:44:04,079
different way you know before you

1300
00:44:08,550 --> 00:44:06,400
find a ufo sat there and have that

1301
00:44:10,790 --> 00:44:08,560
confirmation that you're not alone we're

1302
00:44:12,470 --> 00:44:10,800
all pretty you know wrapped up in the

1303
00:44:14,470 --> 00:44:12,480
events of the world

1304
00:44:16,309 --> 00:44:14,480
because that's our local area

1305
00:44:17,270 --> 00:44:16,319
and and we see ourselves a certain way

1306
00:44:19,190 --> 00:44:17,280
but then

1307
00:44:20,790 --> 00:44:19,200
when you find out that you're not alone

1308
00:44:22,870 --> 00:44:20,800
you you kind of do what ronald reagan

1309
00:44:24,230 --> 00:44:22,880
did and one day you know if these guys

1310
00:44:26,069 --> 00:44:24,240
came here would we all suddenly be

1311
00:44:27,829 --> 00:44:26,079
united as a planet and we'd see

1312
00:44:28,950 --> 00:44:27,839
ourselves in a completely different way

1313
00:44:31,109 --> 00:44:28,960
i i think

1314
00:44:33,030 --> 00:44:31,119
you you'd kind of want to develop a

1315
00:44:34,950 --> 00:44:33,040
species to that point before landing and

1316
00:44:37,750 --> 00:44:34,960
saying hi especially if there is trigger

1317
00:44:39,190 --> 00:44:37,760
happy as some of the countries here uh

1318
00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:39,200
and i think what you've got to again

1319
00:44:42,790 --> 00:44:40,800
think of and this is where my mind goes

1320
00:44:45,589 --> 00:44:42,800
a bit mad in all sorts of directions

1321
00:44:47,910 --> 00:44:45,599
with this kind of stuff as if you are

1322
00:44:49,670 --> 00:44:47,920
one of these species or entities whether

1323
00:44:51,750 --> 00:44:49,680
it's dimensional or from other planets

1324
00:44:54,470 --> 00:44:51,760
or whatever it might be

1325
00:44:57,270 --> 00:44:54,480
there has to be an assumed knowledge of

1326
00:44:59,829 --> 00:44:57,280
our structure and hierarchy in terms of

1327
00:45:01,910 --> 00:44:59,839
they have world leaders and our military

1328
00:45:05,670 --> 00:45:01,920
because

1329
00:45:08,470 --> 00:45:05,680
you crash a craft then and a well say

1330
00:45:09,589 --> 00:45:08,480
gifting a craft in a welsh farmer's

1331
00:45:14,309 --> 00:45:09,599
field

1332
00:45:15,829 --> 00:45:14,319
will just put it somewhere and they will

1333
00:45:18,309 --> 00:45:15,839
find it eventually

1334
00:45:20,230 --> 00:45:18,319
in terms of either archaeological thing

1335
00:45:21,990 --> 00:45:20,240
not necessarily right there and then

1336
00:45:24,790 --> 00:45:22,000
would they necessarily

1337
00:45:26,550 --> 00:45:24,800
have any concept of

1338
00:45:28,069 --> 00:45:26,560
the danger it might pose to people we've

1339
00:45:30,150 --> 00:45:28,079
just heard as part of the skinwalker

1340
00:45:32,230 --> 00:45:30,160
ranch book that's come out you know some

1341
00:45:34,870 --> 00:45:32,240
of these orbs have flown through people

1342
00:45:35,589 --> 00:45:34,880
and caused some really serious illnesses

1343
00:45:37,510 --> 00:45:35,599
but

1344
00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:37,520
while that is dangerous and harmful to

1345
00:45:40,309 --> 00:45:38,880
us as a species

1346
00:45:41,750 --> 00:45:40,319
they may not know that that is a

1347
00:45:43,430 --> 00:45:41,760
consequence or it might not even

1348
00:45:45,109 --> 00:45:43,440
register with them

1349
00:45:46,309 --> 00:45:45,119
yeah i mean i i'd like to think that by

1350
00:45:49,109 --> 00:45:46,319
now they've at least noticed there are a

1351
00:45:51,190 --> 00:45:49,119
few people scream when they're near um

1352
00:45:53,910 --> 00:45:51,200
and there have been

1353
00:45:55,030 --> 00:45:53,920
multiple cases over the past 70 80 years

1354
00:45:57,430 --> 00:45:55,040
of of

1355
00:45:58,230 --> 00:45:57,440
you know people being harmed by this

1356
00:45:59,829 --> 00:45:58,240
stuff

1357
00:46:01,990 --> 00:45:59,839
um because they get too near to

1358
00:46:03,349 --> 00:46:02,000
operating craft or you know there are

1359
00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:03,359
effects afterwards that come with the

1360
00:46:07,210 --> 00:46:05,040
hitchhiker effects and things like that

1361
00:46:08,870 --> 00:46:07,220
and people are mentally damaged um

1362
00:46:11,030 --> 00:46:08,880
[Music]

1363
00:46:13,109 --> 00:46:11,040
so i i think i would agree with you

1364
00:46:16,069 --> 00:46:13,119
there that they they don't quite know

1365
00:46:17,670 --> 00:46:16,079
what they're doing to us i think um and

1366
00:46:18,790 --> 00:46:17,680
and where where a little bit i said this

1367
00:46:21,190 --> 00:46:18,800
the other week as well we're a little

1368
00:46:22,630 --> 00:46:21,200
bit like moths too or flame you know

1369
00:46:24,309 --> 00:46:22,640
and dan you mentioned about you know

1370
00:46:26,309 --> 00:46:24,319
they should recognize people scream when

1371
00:46:27,510 --> 00:46:26,319
they get near but then people scream

1372
00:46:29,670 --> 00:46:27,520
down the front of a justin bieber

1373
00:46:31,430 --> 00:46:29,680
concert so we're a very confusing

1374
00:46:33,030 --> 00:46:31,440
species because

1375
00:46:35,190 --> 00:46:33,040
they seem very happy they've paid for

1376
00:46:36,550 --> 00:46:35,200
this experience so let's go and abduct

1377
00:46:38,550 --> 00:46:36,560
them because they scream when we do that

1378
00:46:40,069 --> 00:46:38,560
so they must be handy and

1379
00:46:42,470 --> 00:46:40,079
there's also an assumption there on my

1380
00:46:44,309 --> 00:46:42,480
part that they can experience or see the

1381
00:46:46,150 --> 00:46:44,319
sound waves that we emit when we do that

1382
00:46:48,390 --> 00:46:46,160
and they might not so

1383
00:46:49,829 --> 00:46:48,400
yeah i mean when you pull grass out the

1384
00:46:51,109 --> 00:46:49,839
ground it might scream or make some kind

1385
00:46:54,230 --> 00:46:51,119
of noise but you don't notice it you

1386
00:46:56,230 --> 00:46:54,240
just do it so so yeah pure grass i can't

1387
00:46:57,109 --> 00:46:56,240
believe something

1388
00:46:59,270 --> 00:46:57,119
um

1389
00:47:00,710 --> 00:46:59,280
one last question we'll go very quickly

1390
00:47:02,550 --> 00:47:00,720
before we finish off with a little bit

1391
00:47:04,150 --> 00:47:02,560
of footage review which is relevant to

1392
00:47:05,589 --> 00:47:04,160
this um hopefully you've all stuck

1393
00:47:06,790 --> 00:47:05,599
around for this again thanks to everyone

1394
00:47:09,270 --> 00:47:06,800
in the chat it's always good to see

1395
00:47:10,950 --> 00:47:09,280
people getting involved um

1396
00:47:12,550 --> 00:47:10,960
what will we go with

1397
00:47:13,829 --> 00:47:12,560
okay so last one it's a nice one able to

1398
00:47:15,270 --> 00:47:13,839
finish on i think and we've kept

1399
00:47:18,390 --> 00:47:15,280
everything all the other questions for

1400
00:47:20,390 --> 00:47:18,400
the the main podcast then if there are

1401
00:47:22,390 --> 00:47:20,400
this is from mark if there are as many

1402
00:47:24,230 --> 00:47:22,400
crashes as reported there must be

1403
00:47:26,150 --> 00:47:24,240
hundreds or thousands of service members

1404
00:47:28,069 --> 00:47:26,160
who have been involved at some level

1405
00:47:30,390 --> 00:47:28,079
only a few day base accounts have ever

1406
00:47:31,910 --> 00:47:30,400
been told why aren't more coming forward

1407
00:47:33,670 --> 00:47:31,920
where are the memoirs or deathbed

1408
00:47:35,349 --> 00:47:33,680
confessions

1409
00:47:37,270 --> 00:47:35,359
well we we've had several deathbed

1410
00:47:38,470 --> 00:47:37,280
confessions right but it's hard to kind

1411
00:47:40,390 --> 00:47:38,480
of

1412
00:47:42,470 --> 00:47:40,400
verify and follow up when the person's

1413
00:47:43,829 --> 00:47:42,480
gone unfortunately you know we had matt

1414
00:47:46,390 --> 00:47:43,839
kobets uh

1415
00:47:48,950 --> 00:47:46,400
from ross's book recently uh there have

1416
00:47:50,230 --> 00:47:48,960
been plenty in the past um

1417
00:47:52,390 --> 00:47:50,240
and it's it's super hard to

1418
00:47:53,910 --> 00:47:52,400
differentiate but i'd simply point back

1419
00:47:55,990 --> 00:47:53,920
to the manhattan project you know they

1420
00:47:58,790 --> 00:47:56,000
kept a really tight lid on that until

1421
00:48:00,790 --> 00:47:58,800
they were ready to reveal it um

1422
00:48:02,150 --> 00:48:00,800
we've had the same thing happen over the

1423
00:48:04,069 --> 00:48:02,160
years with things like you know stealth

1424
00:48:05,190 --> 00:48:04,079
bombers being developed and i have no

1425
00:48:07,910 --> 00:48:05,200
doubt that there are things being

1426
00:48:09,829 --> 00:48:07,920
developed that people just don't know we

1427
00:48:12,549 --> 00:48:09,839
we're going through

1428
00:48:14,950 --> 00:48:12,559
a bit of a learn in this community as to

1429
00:48:17,190 --> 00:48:14,960
what classifications there are

1430
00:48:19,270 --> 00:48:17,200
what they enable people to access so on

1431
00:48:22,230 --> 00:48:19,280
so forth and

1432
00:48:24,390 --> 00:48:22,240
i mean even at lew's level and we're not

1433
00:48:26,309 --> 00:48:24,400
talking now you know the super black

1434
00:48:28,150 --> 00:48:26,319
program secret program that we all

1435
00:48:29,990 --> 00:48:28,160
suspect exists we're talking about the

1436
00:48:33,109 --> 00:48:30,000
the one that's now public

1437
00:48:34,630 --> 00:48:33,119
um lou's classifications were insane his

1438
00:48:35,510 --> 00:48:34,640
access was insane

1439
00:48:37,510 --> 00:48:35,520
and

1440
00:48:39,750 --> 00:48:37,520
still he couldn't get access to these

1441
00:48:41,589 --> 00:48:39,760
special programs so you got to wonder

1442
00:48:44,710 --> 00:48:41,599
how long they buried what they have to

1443
00:48:48,069 --> 00:48:44,720
hold over people um and also i think

1444
00:48:49,510 --> 00:48:48,079
some people will just be attracted to to

1445
00:48:51,589 --> 00:48:49,520
kind of having a secret that no one else

1446
00:48:53,829 --> 00:48:51,599
has you know do not think as well it'd

1447
00:48:55,270 --> 00:48:53,839
be very easy for many of these these

1448
00:48:57,670 --> 00:48:55,280
teams who deal with this kind of stuff

1449
00:48:59,670 --> 00:48:57,680
that they would be tasked with say there

1450
00:49:02,790 --> 00:48:59,680
were potential you know secret space

1451
00:49:04,710 --> 00:49:02,800
programs um or just generally secret

1452
00:49:06,710 --> 00:49:04,720
military technology that does go wrong

1453
00:49:08,549 --> 00:49:06,720
from time to time that they recover

1454
00:49:11,030 --> 00:49:08,559
crash satellites they would be told it's

1455
00:49:13,349 --> 00:49:11,040
a secret chinese satellite it is some

1456
00:49:15,829 --> 00:49:13,359
kind of russian aircraft that has been

1457
00:49:16,950 --> 00:49:15,839
downed go and collect it get rid of it

1458
00:49:18,950 --> 00:49:16,960
and you know what they might have

1459
00:49:21,829 --> 00:49:18,960
suspicions but if you're not of the

1460
00:49:23,990 --> 00:49:21,839
mindset of aliens ufos and spaceships

1461
00:49:26,309 --> 00:49:24,000
then they just do what they're told they

1462
00:49:27,829 --> 00:49:26,319
clean it up they put it away that's it

1463
00:49:30,069 --> 00:49:27,839
yeah absolutely and questions aren't

1464
00:49:32,710 --> 00:49:30,079
asked we we know that other countries

1465
00:49:34,150 --> 00:49:32,720
have sent debris to wright-patterson uh

1466
00:49:36,549 --> 00:49:34,160
because that's where the technology kind

1467
00:49:38,549 --> 00:49:36,559
of research department is um

1468
00:49:40,309 --> 00:49:38,559
and yeah i think it was canada and it

1469
00:49:41,750 --> 00:49:40,319
was a down satellite in the end but it

1470
00:49:43,910 --> 00:49:41,760
just goes to show that other countries

1471
00:49:45,510 --> 00:49:43,920
are even feeding america this stuff

1472
00:49:47,589 --> 00:49:45,520
america don't even necessarily have to

1473
00:49:49,670 --> 00:49:47,599
fly out a secret team to gather it

1474
00:49:51,190 --> 00:49:49,680
yeah and dan a few people asked us to

1475
00:49:53,190 --> 00:49:51,200
round off uh

1476
00:49:55,109 --> 00:49:53,200
we're asking for each week footage to

1477
00:49:56,630 --> 00:49:55,119
review so let us know what you think we

1478
00:49:58,230 --> 00:49:56,640
should talk about on the pod we'll share

1479
00:50:00,950 --> 00:49:58,240
the video thanks to everyone who has

1480
00:50:02,710 --> 00:50:00,960
done that so far um skinny bob is one

1481
00:50:04,549 --> 00:50:02,720
that comes up as a piece of footage

1482
00:50:07,589 --> 00:50:04,559
that's very controversial a lot of

1483
00:50:09,270 --> 00:50:07,599
people think it is cgi or faked and

1484
00:50:11,270 --> 00:50:09,280
there are as many people who seem to

1485
00:50:13,270 --> 00:50:11,280
think it could be genuine so i'm going

1486
00:50:15,510 --> 00:50:13,280
to share that now and we'll have a

1487
00:50:16,390 --> 00:50:15,520
little look at this piece of footage

1488
00:50:18,150 --> 00:50:16,400
now

1489
00:50:19,270 --> 00:50:18,160
i've got it starting kind of around

1490
00:50:21,190 --> 00:50:19,280
about here

1491
00:50:23,430 --> 00:50:21,200
what what's your thoughts on the skinny

1492
00:50:24,630 --> 00:50:23,440
bob footage dan that's plain

1493
00:50:27,109 --> 00:50:24,640
it's i mean

1494
00:50:28,390 --> 00:50:27,119
my first thoughts is if it's fake it's

1495
00:50:30,630 --> 00:50:28,400
really well done you know a lot of

1496
00:50:33,349 --> 00:50:30,640
people have said it's puppets it's cgi

1497
00:50:35,990 --> 00:50:33,359
uh there are not a lot of analysis by

1498
00:50:37,990 --> 00:50:36,000
cgi guys you can watch and there's some

1499
00:50:39,510 --> 00:50:38,000
really strange frame rate issues with a

1500
00:50:41,270 --> 00:50:39,520
lot of this footage that lead me to

1501
00:50:45,349 --> 00:50:41,280
suspect that maybe there's something

1502
00:50:47,589 --> 00:50:45,359
spliced in here that isn't faked

1503
00:50:49,430 --> 00:50:47,599
do you think there's the potential that

1504
00:50:51,270 --> 00:50:49,440
part of this is faked but some of it's

1505
00:50:53,829 --> 00:50:51,280
real and it's that thing that we've

1506
00:50:56,069 --> 00:50:53,839
mentioned before that to make something

1507
00:50:57,910 --> 00:50:56,079
seem dubious all you have to do is put a

1508
00:51:00,710 --> 00:50:57,920
little seed of doubt into it yeah and a

1509
00:51:02,549 --> 00:51:00,720
very true story can suddenly become

1510
00:51:03,510 --> 00:51:02,559
pure nonsense

1511
00:51:05,670 --> 00:51:03,520
think about what happened with that

1512
00:51:08,150 --> 00:51:05,680
alien autopsy you know a lot there was a

1513
00:51:10,069 --> 00:51:08,160
big huh when it was released over the

1514
00:51:11,750 --> 00:51:10,079
years that person has come forward and

1515
00:51:13,109 --> 00:51:11,760
said it was nonsense but they had a

1516
00:51:16,150 --> 00:51:13,119
certain frame that they were trying to

1517
00:51:18,790 --> 00:51:16,160
mimic and kind of get out to the public

1518
00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:18,800
this has been out for ages and we don't

1519
00:51:23,109 --> 00:51:20,160
have anything like that for this it's

1520
00:51:24,950 --> 00:51:23,119
still a mystery

1521
00:51:28,069 --> 00:51:24,960
it's the stereotypical look that you

1522
00:51:30,390 --> 00:51:28,079
expect the big head the large black kind

1523
00:51:32,549 --> 00:51:30,400
of gaping holes almost as we can see in

1524
00:51:34,710 --> 00:51:32,559
the video for eyes the steve jobs total

1525
00:51:36,870 --> 00:51:34,720
neck because he wasn't from here yeah

1526
00:51:39,190 --> 00:51:36,880
he's got the steve jobs

1527
00:51:41,430 --> 00:51:39,200
it's it's what we kind of come to expect

1528
00:51:43,990 --> 00:51:41,440
from the roswell crashes that we hear

1529
00:51:46,470 --> 00:51:44,000
about that there were a greys recovered

1530
00:51:48,790 --> 00:51:46,480
they had kind of body suits on

1531
00:51:50,470 --> 00:51:48,800
and there were survivals and then here

1532
00:51:52,309 --> 00:51:50,480
we go here's footage of what people

1533
00:51:55,109 --> 00:51:52,319
would expect

1534
00:51:57,190 --> 00:51:55,119
hand on heart it looks really good

1535
00:51:59,109 --> 00:51:57,200
i i can't say that it doesn't look a

1536
00:52:01,430 --> 00:51:59,119
little cgi-esque

1537
00:52:04,710 --> 00:52:01,440
but again i've got to caveat that with

1538
00:52:06,549 --> 00:52:04,720
my my get of jail card of we don't know

1539
00:52:08,230 --> 00:52:06,559
what real would look like

1540
00:52:09,829 --> 00:52:08,240
and i would really love to get some

1541
00:52:12,309 --> 00:52:09,839
serious people such as

1542
00:52:13,349 --> 00:52:12,319
ondo or chris mellon or others like that

1543
00:52:15,589 --> 00:52:13,359
as jaffa

1544
00:52:17,589 --> 00:52:15,599
to sit look at this footage and go what

1545
00:52:19,030 --> 00:52:17,599
do you really think of this

1546
00:52:20,870 --> 00:52:19,040
not that they would notice it was

1547
00:52:22,309 --> 00:52:20,880
genuine or not but

1548
00:52:25,510 --> 00:52:22,319
do they think this would be real or not

1549
00:52:28,870 --> 00:52:25,520
i would lean towards cgi but again i'm

1550
00:52:30,630 --> 00:52:28,880
no expert in what may or may not be

1551
00:52:31,670 --> 00:52:30,640
be good about this particular piece of

1552
00:52:33,510 --> 00:52:31,680
footage

1553
00:52:34,950 --> 00:52:33,520
for me it's kind of how undramatic the

1554
00:52:36,390 --> 00:52:34,960
footage is as well

1555
00:52:38,790 --> 00:52:36,400
you know we're not watching a craft zip

1556
00:52:40,309 --> 00:52:38,800
off we're not watching crazy maneuvers

1557
00:52:43,589 --> 00:52:40,319
we're either watching a fake and it's

1558
00:52:45,670 --> 00:52:43,599
cgi and a dude in a suit or it's someone

1559
00:52:49,109 --> 00:52:45,680
and and they've made a decision to just

1560
00:52:51,270 --> 00:52:49,119
not make it very fanciful you know uh i

1561
00:52:52,950 --> 00:52:51,280
i saw a video on it was on tick tock the

1562
00:52:55,430 --> 00:52:52,960
other day and it was just an interview

1563
00:52:58,150 --> 00:52:55,440
between two people um and the one person

1564
00:53:00,710 --> 00:52:58,160
said show us how you blink and then the

1565
00:53:02,549 --> 00:53:00,720
woman blinked and the person said no not

1566
00:53:04,790 --> 00:53:02,559
that way show us the other way and it

1567
00:53:06,150 --> 00:53:04,800
turned out that this was a

1568
00:53:07,829 --> 00:53:06,160
what if there was an interview with an

1569
00:53:11,829 --> 00:53:07,839
alien and then the woman blinked

1570
00:53:14,390 --> 00:53:11,839
sideways and it was really undramatic

1571
00:53:15,510 --> 00:53:14,400
just you know there wasn't any crazy

1572
00:53:17,030 --> 00:53:15,520
music or anything like that when i

1573
00:53:19,349 --> 00:53:17,040
watched it i thought this is kind of how

1574
00:53:21,270 --> 00:53:19,359
it would be but this looks really fake

1575
00:53:22,950 --> 00:53:21,280
and i i can't get my head around how i

1576
00:53:25,510 --> 00:53:22,960
deal with it if this was actually put in

1577
00:53:27,109 --> 00:53:25,520
front of me you know i think i'd need

1578
00:53:28,870 --> 00:53:27,119
someone like lou to put it in front of

1579
00:53:30,069 --> 00:53:28,880
me and say this is real sit here until

1580
00:53:32,150 --> 00:53:30,079
you get that through your head because

1581
00:53:33,589 --> 00:53:32,160
if i saw it on youtube i think

1582
00:53:35,750 --> 00:53:33,599
i'd struggle

1583
00:53:38,150 --> 00:53:35,760
absolutely listen folks that's all we've

1584
00:53:40,549 --> 00:53:38,160
got time for this week on kgra digital

1585
00:53:43,670 --> 00:53:40,559
broadcasting you can check out the main

1586
00:53:46,150 --> 00:53:43,680
podcast available on youtube now and

1587
00:53:49,030 --> 00:53:46,160
also apple spotify however you listen to

1588
00:53:51,030 --> 00:53:49,040
podcasts our interview with paulo gazadi

1589
00:53:52,470 --> 00:53:51,040
who is the italian representative for

1590
00:53:53,829 --> 00:53:52,480
icer

1591
00:53:55,910 --> 00:53:53,839
international coalition of

1592
00:53:57,829 --> 00:53:55,920
extraterrestrial research he also works

1593
00:53:59,670 --> 00:53:57,839
the italian ministry for foreign affairs

1594
00:54:01,510 --> 00:53:59,680
really interesting guy and he was

1595
00:54:03,990 --> 00:54:01,520
talking about project titan which is

1596
00:54:06,710 --> 00:54:04,000
being put forward as a motion to the un

1597
00:54:08,069 --> 00:54:06,720
through the the vehicle of san marino um

1598
00:54:09,750 --> 00:54:08,079
the country so that was a really

1599
00:54:11,349 --> 00:54:09,760
interesting chat a lot of great feedback

1600
00:54:12,470 --> 00:54:11,359
on that as well thanks to everyone who's

1601
00:54:14,549 --> 00:54:12,480
checked that out

1602
00:54:16,390 --> 00:54:14,559
next week's show on the main podcast

1603
00:54:18,470 --> 00:54:16,400
should be the full interview you've

1604
00:54:20,470 --> 00:54:18,480
heard bits of it's actually a fresh

1605
00:54:23,750 --> 00:54:20,480
original interview it's not the same one

1606
00:54:26,390 --> 00:54:23,760
with graham rendall that may be moved to

1607
00:54:28,549 --> 00:54:26,400
accommodate something else that probably

1608
00:54:31,430 --> 00:54:28,559
is coming up instead graham won't mind

1609
00:54:33,670 --> 00:54:31,440
us bumping them by a week um but it's

1610
00:54:35,109 --> 00:54:33,680
one that is relevant right now

1611
00:54:37,430 --> 00:54:35,119
to do with a certain book that's come

1612
00:54:38,950 --> 00:54:37,440
out so we'll see if that one comes up

1613
00:54:41,349 --> 00:54:38,960
that'll be good and that'll be getting a

1614
00:54:42,549 --> 00:54:41,359
priority to go straight out um so yeah

1615
00:54:43,910 --> 00:54:42,559
thank you very much for joining us

1616
00:54:46,069 --> 00:54:43,920
you're getting jacob rowling is she

1617
00:54:47,829 --> 00:54:46,079
doing a new harry potter book

1618
00:54:50,309 --> 00:54:47,839
no i hope not because you know they

1619
00:54:51,990 --> 00:54:50,319
milked that for all it was worth um but

1620
00:54:53,190 --> 00:54:52,000
it's another type of wizard no it's not

1621
00:54:54,630 --> 00:54:53,200
it's like i don't even see that people

1622
00:54:56,150 --> 00:54:54,640
will start to surmise but thanks to

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everyone in the chat thanks for checking

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us out thanks to kgra for hosting us and

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folks if you want to go back and watch

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the archive you can do so on kgra but

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we're going to start uploading those

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like week or so delayed on the main

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youtube channel as well so thank you

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very much for checking us out dan have a

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good evening

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you too and thank you to everyone in the

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chat and for for watching that is all

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for this week's show thank you very much

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up you never know what you might see

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i don't think he expected me to see his

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[Music]

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upstairs

1651
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there was something on my head and

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everything was weird and everything was

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red i helped out with my boys they

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thought this was noise they thought it